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If you follow my posts at all or are interested in the “Gun Freedom” debate, you have to go back to this post Gun Control Revisited, and read the comments.
There are some really well thought out comments on both sides of the debate.
People are scared of guns because they “believe”  firearms have only two outcomes: death or freedom. And freedom (responsibility) scares them more than death.
Feel free to weigh in and add comments on this topic, it impacts all of us.
Gun Control Revisited

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  • Julie Mathison

    Hi Shannon!
    These are the same rhetorical tactics that have been employed by gun activists for decades — to collapse the factual realities of gun violence in our country with abstract ideals about personal responsibility. But it’s a false equation. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people — but they kill them with guns. Of course, personal resp0nsibility is one worthy goal of a life well lived. But the tactic of generalizing the conversation, of resorting to elevated language instead of addressing the facts, derails the conversation. It allows the advocate to aggrandize their position, to feel they are aligned with important, enduring values, but it does not address the practical realities of the correlation between gun ownership and violence.
    You used another effective tactic when you argued that guns kill fewer people than other evils, addiction etc. Taken to it’s logical extreme, this would lead to a world in which we never addressed a problem unless it was either the worst or only problem. Of course, we should get a handle on the opiate epidemic, but that has no bearing on the urgency of addressing the particular evils of gun violence.
    I would still love to hear what you have to say about the correlation between gun ownership and violence rates in this country.
    Respectfully yours!

    March 16, 2018 at 10:53 am
    • John DeWitt

      I would like to thank you again for your continued debate on this subject. I trust Shannon when he tells me what a great person you are, I have no doubt but what I have come to see in this discussion is a person who makes a lot statements of opinion not grounded in facts but rather emotions. I contend that no amount of words from anyone in this conversation is going to change your mind because it has become clear to me that your are paralyzed by a fear of guns. I don’t know if you have suffered a great tragedy or are just afraid of them because of their power. Either way the end result is the same, no amount of facts will change your mind. Only facing your fear of guns will help you begin to live with them, maybe a trip to the range or a gun safety course to introduce you to a firearm will help. Ultimately you make a lot of accusations that Shannon or the others commenting on the subject are ignoring facts or making false equivalencies but it is you by and large who are ignoring facts. It comes down to this, your fear overrides your reason on this matter and if it where possible to remove all guns from all law abiding citizens then you would have two groups remaining with guns, the government and criminals. One group who would intimidate, harm or kill you and the other arriving at the scene too late. This is not a good scenario for any of us. The gun genie is out of the bottle and the only thing we can do is learn to live with it.
      I wish you all the best.

      March 16, 2018 at 11:00 pm
    • Shanon Brooks

      Yes, now we are at the heart or it…”people kill people.” And as long as bad people have means to kill each other or good people, we can not allow government or anyone to prevent good people from doing what they can to protect themselves.
      Directly from the CDC report, we know that there are 300 million guns in America and most indices of crime and gun violence are getting better, not worse. “Overall crime rates have declined in the past decade, and violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past 5 years,” the report notes.
      “Between 2005 and 2010, the percentage of firearm-related violent victimizations remained generally stable.” Meanwhile, “firearm-related death rates for youth ages 15 to 19 declined from 1994 to 2009.”
      Accidents are down, too: “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”
      But setting aside the CDC Report, most data available is erroneous based on a number of factors such as: the use of cross-sectional data, the “endogeniety” problem, skewed data (for example – ownership vs possession – Israel), etc. To really dig in, check out this study by the Crime Prevention Research Center

      March 20, 2018 at 1:37 am
  • Julie Mathison

    Afterthought: the flip side of personal responsibility is interdependence. One cannot exercise one’s rights without affecting the rights of others, and this has never been more true than in a world of growing population and shrinking natural resources. So to invoke with any kind of integrity the notion of personal responsibility one must also talk about how the exercise of one group’s or person’s rights affects the rights of others.

    March 16, 2018 at 12:55 pm
    • Gene F. Danforth

      In the 70’s it seemed all we heard was that we are running out of oil. It seems that is not really happening. there is more oil in Alaska than all of Saudi Arabia. Canada and our own Midwest is amass with oil. We do not need to import it. By doing so it helps supply the terrorists with needed funds. I have flown around the world and find that the majority of people are concentrated in certain area. some are crammed into cities near the sea. South America proves that. The Amazon jungle was once thought to be just a jungle wilderness. Back in the 60’s we were told that they were losing hundreds of acres a week. Well! I figured it out using math. I guess they should have lost the jungle many times over. And now there has been remnants found of large cities that supported millions of people.
      Now on Evil: Evil has brought out terrible things upon this world and its people. When Hitler was attacking his neighbors he let one country alone because ” they have a gun behind every door.” a friend who worked for U.S. Customs was on an inspection of a Chinese cargo ship during Clintons presidency. they found a container filled with AK47’s. that was quite a find, but Clinton was upset, not of the Chinese but the inspectors. His rant was ” How can the Chinese learn to trust us if we are inspecting their ships?”. these rifles were intended for gangs of L.A. government has not stopped the flow of drugs into this country, they have not stopped the flow of terrorists or gangs from south of the boarder. Our students in school are now tested and rated , not at the top but near the 20’s in knowledge. We do need to search our hearts on why is their so much evil? It is interesting that these young killers have been on prescribed pharmaceuticals . New Hampshire was once the capital of prescribed Ritalin for children. I worked in that field of Mental Health and thought it was terrible to place so many boys on this drug, simply because a teacher said they were fidgety. Most boys are fidgety. I was, Its energy that needs to be harnessed and used in the right direction. I was a cub scout then boy scout and then a U.S. Marine. If we can be a little kinder each day to everyone we meet , perhaps we can save the world from impending disaster. A couple decades a go a high school student created a model of an atomic bomb for his science class. government officials said it was accurate. Lets hope that those who have evil intentions don’t adopt new plans for creating mayhem

      March 16, 2018 at 1:26 pm
  • Gene F. Danforth

    Interesting synopsis on guns
    History has shown that, the first thing tyrants do is take away the right to self defense. Those who were Inspired to write the Constitution knew that God intended for us to have agency and freedom. We see Freedom of speech being curtailed on campuses throughout the country. My daughter experienced that when she attended college. Even professors are threatening to kick students out of class if they mention creationism.
    Who failed in Florida?? It was the FBI and the sheriffs department. Judicial Watch has through FIA gotten enough documents to prove that. And they had guns.
    If government is the only ones to have guns , then we will see the makings of a totalitarian regime. I believe that our Founders were inspired by God to write the Constitution. so why does it contain the right to Keep and Bear Arms. Well, Old English Law also gave Englishmen that right. when millions of people lose their freedom because of a madman, we need to look at who really benefits.
    Dianne Feinstein is one person who has been trying to take guns away from everyone, yet she packs a piece for her protection. We need to take a better look at the Deep State and what they have to garnish from these killings. All could have been prevented. And yet we see millions of babies torn from Wombs and our students are silent. Priorities are in disarray.

    March 16, 2018 at 12:57 pm
    • Shanon Brooks

      Thanks for commenting, there is always so much to talk about.

      March 20, 2018 at 1:42 am
  • Julie Mathison

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Gene. I agree that we all need to be kind to each other. That would take care of everything, wouldn’t it 🙂

    March 17, 2018 at 2:58 pm

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